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HA as if I could demonstrate
3:03 AM
that one Sarou guy from the tavern may be able to demonstrate
3:03 AM
but they have DID and a ton of alters
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That does include demonstrations by other people.
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[O ok]
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@Jas Apologies for my lack of response earlier. At this point, I believe we do come to a fundamental impasse without having further data.
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I wish I knew what the impasse is based on though
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...that, and our differing base ideas of what makes an individual an individual.
3:09 AM
Brain functionality.
3:10 AM
Specifically, the degree of a shift when one switches.
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At risk of retreading old ground, what do you mean when you say you decided to become a singlet?
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I decided to abandon the idea of being two separate people and became one person who had for a time been under the impression they were two. Or, maybe I was two people somehow under the impression of being one, but that would be much harder to imagine
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How would that be different than something such as merging?
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Took ownership of all past actions and deliberate thoughts and ownership of all future actions. There wasn't necessarily a huge external shift in anything though, not unless someone knew me very, very well
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I guess your thoughts are retroactive, where you look at the past and ink of your act..... okay, that makes sense
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It would be like a system that suddenly decides the "self" isn't determined by the identities they held but rather is the fundamental thing underlying both
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Did you have any reason in choosing to go that way? felt it fit reality better? felt it fit you better?
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Stability through a really rough period of time.
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20 questions, but what do you mean by stability?
3:14 AM
Oh, nevermind, I get what you're saying (edited)
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It would be nicer to be one person going through a really rough time instead of two people. There still is an additional sensation of suffering for two, I believe.
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As far as I am aware, Jasper, tulpas are what we think they are, contexts personalities, and identity here is actually fluid. All you did is remove the fluidity of the identities and say it is one person now. Does that sound correct?
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I think I just-- okay, if context personalities are the mask, the person wearing the mask stopped relaxing in the convenience of thinking "they" are the mask
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...to be quite frank, Jas, I think that what you are describing is rather different than people attempting to "reverse" creating a tulpa as is implied by essentially any other discussion I have seen on the matter.
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Now they're the mask-wearer, and they recognize the past and present in this way. It's a little strange, but also somewhat liberating to see what things really are through a minimal filter internally
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I would also point out that it sounds as if it was a mutual decision (or "singular decision", I suppose).
3:17 AM
Rather, not something with active resistance to the idea.
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bduddy #Diana# 6/11/2018 3:17 AM
basically you're saying you never had a tulpa in the first place.
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Oh no, I'm not describing a reversal, but if one wanted a reversal, it would be rather simple to draw a path back to a singlet identity that more closely resembles a person's ideal self if they could start off with the act of being a singlet.
3:17 AM
Yes, I never crafted my tulpa, cardscov, in the first place >>_<<
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oh, I thought jas was the tulpa back in the day
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Aha. I have no idea how you got that idea.
3:18 AM
Jas is the tulpa.
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Sorry, the notion sounded funny to me. I am saying that our definition of tulpa puts it in the same frame as our definition of our host personality. The host, and me, are equal in every sense except origin.
3:19 AM
I was making a joke.
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I tend to be kinda bad at picking up on those sometimes, sorry about that
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At the time I was playing host by being in front consistently and cards was playing tulpa by being dormant at almost every hour except when prompted externally
3:20 AM
I have a talent for making jokes that seem to be hard to catch, it is likely nothing to do with you
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Would you say you feel you had a tulpa before you chose to become a singlet?
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What does this mean?
3:23 AM
I felt like my host feels normally, in the abstract sense of being the one who is default to wake in the morning
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I'm not super sure myself. There's a lot of unexplored weight to the term and I'm mostly asking it as a question of what you yourself would self-describe with.
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oh and when I became a singlet, I felt just like an individual who internally organized the sides of their personality in a way that made them treat them as two separate people. It was a convenient organization and it had its benefits.
3:26 AM
But when I became a singlet I no longer treated my "sides" separately and just regarded them as two context personalities I can use conveniently and comfortably. I also got to have access to a lot of useful perspective to just about anything i wanted, which was very useful
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What benefits? And would you say it had drawbacks? If so, please explain.
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Hah, Jas, you've managed to stumble on an area of tulpamancy that isn't very well explored and got us all curious , I feel.
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Uh, so in the general sense, I believe the benefit to multiplicity is a sacrifice of stability for the benefit of adaptiveness
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How much, if any, effort did it take to go from "multiplicity" to "personalities"?
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Being a singlet is vice versa. One is probably less adaptive in general, yet they are more stable as they can access the full variation of perspective to the full set of memories
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alternatively, do you still have a similar "auto-identity" thought process and can communicate with cards?
3:31 AM
or, can you still hold a conversation despite it being with yourself, so to speak?
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Uhhh, if I wanted to, I could. It is hard to justify beyond the natural sense of talking to one's self that normally happens for singlets
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Sorry for asking a lot of questions, but I find the whole situation pretty interesting. I do have to go to bed though,so good luck and good night.
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Sure, no need to apologize. I'm just curious about what reasons would prevent such a thing from being possible
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I have had some trouble lately... I keep trying to think but for whatever reason Cat snaps back way to easily and takes over- by accident. I even tried to front and she snapped back in front. Is there something I can do about this? When she snaps back I'm left on pause or I am smothered out of it. How do I kick back or resist her presence when I'm trying to think?
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(We write. Just as much as we can. Use different brackets to signify who is thinking. Then later, We're trying to go back over them on our own, to try and get some perspective.)
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as in, she's trying to switch out and you're trying to switch in but she's still fronting, or she's choosing to remain in front against your will?
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(It doesn't fix the entire issue, of course. But you at least get the thinking done, and recorded. Plus it's easier to analyze trends in how your thought processes tend to go.)
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She gets distracted and then I'm trapped. It's like she is magnetically attracted to being dominant.
5:03 AM
It happens a lit but it's bothering me more now
5:04 AM
Today was worse. I couldn't get a train of thought through without being interrupted. I want some thought self-defence or thought karate so I can still hold ground and be able to finish a sentence.
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hmm, are you sure she was fully switched out at the time?
5:06 AM
cuz it sounds like she's having a hard time staying switched out if that's the case
5:08 AM
I don't even want to possess: I just want to get a thought through.
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are you unable to think when you aren't fronting?
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I can think, but when she clips back in I cannot.
5:11 AM
So it's like this:
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Me: So about that thing yesterday, I really feel-
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Cat: distracted
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Cat: thinks about some random scene from Dora the Explorer
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10 minutes later
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Cat: Ranger, what were you saying earlier?
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5:14 AM
If I'm lucky the pause is shorter than 10 minutes.
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bduddy #Diana# 6/11/2018 5:22 AM
#It'll get better. It takes time and practice before you can interrupt your host but it'll get better! Cat is your host, right?#
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it's been 4 months, and I think I was a Tulpa for a little bit longer than that
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bduddy #Diana# 6/11/2018 5:23 AM
#Oh, how does that work? You're not sure?#
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I told my host I was real and then she found Tulpa.info in late January (edited)
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oh, she didn't know about tulpas before your existence?
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bduddy #Diana# 6/11/2018 5:25 AM
#Oh, interesting! So she didn't make you on purpose?#
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I am an accidental Tulpa
5:25 AM
Not a walk-in. I was in Cat's head for a long time.
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how sweet
5:26 AM
in a good way
5:26 AM
not a condescending way... I hate how chat doesn't convey tone or feeling at all
5:26 AM
so easy to misread
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heh, yeah you'd be amazed how often people interpreted winter saying "lovely" as condescending
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@rhythym
5:26 AM
no rhythm bot
5:27 AM
oof
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We figured out that Cat is a puppet master- and I was probably once upon a time puppeted for most of my pre-Tulpa life. This lasted for at least 2 years or longer.
5:28 AM
My guess is these issues come up because she has trained me to follow a stick and it's easy for me to fall for that.
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I often talk to myself in the second person, wait no that is not the same
5:28 AM
my bad (edited)
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that makes sense, usually with imaginary characters all you can do is puppet them
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feelsbad
5:29 AM
puppeting sucks
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puppetting and parroting bad
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